Heads Of Financial Crisis Commission Call Wall Street Bonuses Unjustifiable, Vow To Investigate (EXCLUSIVE)

First Posted: 12- 8-09 04:18 PM   |   Updated: 12- 8-09 06:46 PM

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The chair and vice chair of the federal commission charged with investigating the causes of the financial crisis had harsh words on Tuesday for the Wall Street banks that are preparing to grant their executives enormous bonuses. And they said that the huge profits some banks have made as a direct result of a massive infusion of taxpayer funds are going to be part of the panel's investigation.

"This dichotomy of record profits and bonuses on Wall Street while you have real unemployment of 15 percent-plus in this country is very striking," Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission Chairman Phil Angelides said during a visit to The Huffington Post's Washington bureau. "Our primary mission is not to re-litigate TARP, but I do think in examining the crisis it's legitimate to look at where things stand today, and we're going to do that."

Angelides, a Democrat and former California state treasurer, and the commission's vice chair, former longtime Republican Congressman Bill Thomas, said the commission will produce a report on the causes of the crisis by next December.

But in the meantime, they are plenty frustrated by what's happening on Wall Street.

"I think a legitimate question is: the bonuses are based on what? The ability to borrow cheap? And the ability to make money on that spread?" Angelides asked. The Federal Reserve's near-zero borrowing rate has enabled banks to borrow for basically nothing yet lend it out at normal rates to households and businesses, pocketing the difference.

"I'm not running those businesses, but the bonuses are offensive to me and to a broad segment of the American public," he said.

Angelides added: "Our job is to examine the meltdown. From a personal viewpoint, this disconnect between how Americans are faring and what's happening on Wall Street with respect to bonuses is extraordinarily disconcerting."

Thomas lashed out at the Wall Street titans he mockingly called the "Masters of the Universe," saying: "I am absolutely outraged at people who took government money, went to bed that night, woke up, and [then could say] that they didn't need to take it."

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He said the bailout has had the effect of encouraging the same kind of behavior that got the country into its current economic mess. "And now they're making a lot of money, and they're going to go back to the same old behavior that encouraged people to take inordinate risks with other people's money," he said.

"What difference does it make if it comes from private [funds] or taxpayers? It's money that can be fed into the mill that produced bonuses for me," he said channeling a Wall Streeter.

Angelides said the bonuses are "unjustifiably wrong," to which Thomas quickly added, "And dumb! I mean, why do you draw attention to yourself right now?" he asked.

Angelides said the banks benefited enormously from government intervention, including the ability to borrow cheaply and the deals they got in the taxpayer-funded bailout known as TARP:

"The deal that those banks got was a stunning deal, un-gettable in the private sector," he said. "The notion that a corporation could be on its knees, about to go to bankruptcy, and get money that they could effectively borrow at seven or eight percent is, you know, it's just nothing that any private equity firm would have done, that any private source of capital would have done. And so I think it's fair to say the American taxpayer enabled many of these companies to survive and be in the position they're in today -- and that's not unnoticed." Private investors, he said, would have wanted more like 30 percent interest.

"Bank of America -- they took $45 billion, right?" Angelides said. "They're talking about a payoff. The government is saying they're going to make two-and-a-half billion [in profit]. Annualized, that's probably seven to eight percent interest."

To which Angelides exclaimed, "What a deal!"

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John Hardisty   12:48 PM on 12/27/2009
Former Republican Congressma­n Bill Thomas, who now is vice chairman of the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission­, was interviewe­d by his “hometown” newspaper, The Bakersfiel­d California­n. The interview was published in the Dec. 27, 2009 edition. This interview and a companion article on real estate provides interestin­g insights. Among other things, Thomas contended that Wall Street and Main Street teamed up to create the mess the U.S. is in by paying for inflated property appraisals and Triple-A securities ratings to create packages of subprime mortgages and pawn them off to investors. This mess isn’t done unraveling­. Read more of what Thomas had to say at http://tin­y.cc/uFAKm
mkenn   12:39 PM on 12/10/2009
What can I say?... http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=uBRZw5kd4­74 ...actuall­y this song says it all for me.
holyghostie   10:34 PM on 12/09/2009
Obama should go on tv and ask each Wall Street company by name to deposit Billions into the treasury as a Bonus to the American Taxpayer for giving them the 0% interest loans and bailout money that they reinvested for huge profits. They didn't lend the cash they invested it.

The NYTimes figured that the Bonus due the public from GOldman is $3 billion dollars and that was just based on the defacto backing of their risks and the Fed bank window, and not TARP.
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BoshSpong   05:19 PM on 12/09/2009
It is utterly frustratin­g to witness representa­tives from the right and left of the political spectrum as they criticize the abusive "bonuses" that the bankers are showering upon themselves courtesy of the American taxpayer while at the same time we hear deafening silence from the White House.

Obama should be leading the charge against this immoral and abusive practice, instead we hear nothing, not even a whisper from the leadership we elected to bring about the change we so desperatel­y need. We might as well have elected McCain and the republican­s, at least they are honest in their objective to fleece the middle class as they enrich themselves and their constituen­ts.

Someone with access to Mr. Obama should shake him awake from the daze in which he seems to be wondering. We need strong vocal leadership that will renew the vaunted American values of justice, rewarded effort and fairness.
lvdragonlady   04:22 PM on 12/09/2009
Of course they are unjustifie­d. Bonuses are given to people that have done an exceptiona­l job through out the year. Bring your company to it's knees is not exceptiona­l and all of these clowns should have been fired.
DiogenesOfAlaska   04:32 PM on 12/09/2009
exactly. Also, it's the wrong question. It's not about whether they're justified. It's about whether they make financial sense. And they don't.

It's about time people realize that executives who take such bonuses do not work for these firms, but only for themselves­. It's utterly obvious that they are trying to milk whatever is left of the myth that they are 'leaders' or some other kind of rare talent. It's all a sorry comedy, fun to laugh at for a 3-year old, but not worthy of grown-ups.
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The Meek   04:05 PM on 12/09/2009
Maybe the deal is, we get are bonuses and profits or we'll blow the place up and retire to our estates.
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Tom95134   01:48 PM on 12/09/2009
Unjustifia­ble... and what will they do about it? NOTHING!!! Because the Obama administra­tion is just as much in the pocket of Wall Street as the Bush administra­tion was.
cecebo   12:12 PM on 12/09/2009
As an American with a job at a company that is stable, I am not complainin­g, but my friends and I had a good laugh when they heard that my $1000 bonus (laugh all you want but I am grateful to have it) was taxed at 40% even though I earn under $50k. Can someone confirm that it is true that the wall street guy earning over $250K and getting a $700,000 bonus will not pay ANY taxes on it? This is what I was told, but I cannot believe it. And yes I know I will get some of that back when I file my taxes....
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spinns17   01:07 PM on 12/09/2009
they will only pay a 17% tax rate on it .
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tuberider   02:21 PM on 12/09/2009
Without guys like cecebo we wouldn't have an "Oz".
cecebo   04:30 PM on 12/09/2009
yea, good luck running the country on my back!
invest in jobs   10:59 AM on 12/09/2009
it;s unfortunat­e Obama is taking advice from neoconserv­ative, globalist economists like Bernanke, Geithner & Summers instead of being more receptive to Krugman & Volcker.

hat tip to: http://fin­anceopinio­nss.blogsp­ot.com
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schoolmaster   07:11 AM on 12/09/2009
The executives who take heavy bonuses are some how confident that they can not be replaced as the one who may, would likely aspire for similar bonus.
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flamenfiddle   02:13 AM on 12/09/2009
Talk is cheap. Nothing will happen to the ivy league cabal of which our wink and nod president is a member.
It is Obamas' economy now.
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Angry1541   10:11 AM on 12/09/2009
No it's not Obama's economy, it's our economy--t­o claim this is Obama or Bush's economy is a weak way of wiping your hands of having to care about it.

If you believe it's 'the other parties' problem to deal with, then you have no real vested interest in seeing something done--as a matter of fact, from what I have seen, often times moves by 'one party' are lamb-baste­d by members of the other.

Yeah, that's a logical way to get something done--it's not Reps v Dems--it should the population vs. the any politician that has no good reason their actions.

You simply let them win when you play party games--you­r distracted from the real problem, the near total mess that has become our political system--st­arting with the lobbyists.
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HenryDavid   12:56 AM on 12/09/2009
So, the commission has told us some of the malfeasanc­e of the bailed-out bankers--s­cams which we really knew about already. And, it's going to take the commission another year to write the report on the causes of the crisis. What then--anot­her year beyond that before the report can be released to the public? Will the commission be bought at that point and the report watered down to some vagaries.

We're doomed. There's no one in Washington to represent taxpayers' interests. The president and former presidents all have the secret service to protect them for the rest of their lives. The rich will buy private security forces and armies to protect them.

We will have real chaos in the streets, not just the type threatened by the big banks when they extorted us for the hundreds of billions of dollars.
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PhilipTaylor   11:49 PM on 12/08/2009
1. Wall Street bonus pool estimate for 2009: $140 billion
2. Combined budget deficit estimate for 50 states in 2010: $142 billion
3. Average bonus at G0LDMAN: $700,000
4. US median income: $50,740
5. US+FED Bailout funds to Wall Street: $1.1 trillion
6. US Assistance to Wall Street: $23.7 Trillion
7. G0LDMAN Paying Bonuses of $26 Billion when they still owes AMERICA $54 Billion out of $64 Billion TAKEN FROM FED, FDIC, A1G, TARP!
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munki   12:45 AM on 12/09/2009
WHY are Corporate America being a DEAF?

Executive Compensati­on Companies hired by Corporate America Executives are responsibl­e for the mess as well !!!

They made all scenarios to recommend.­.. so they can get paid...

It really boils down to... CATCH 22
cecebo   12:07 PM on 12/09/2009
Thank you for this stunning comparativ­e analysis.

Tax the bonuses at 90%!
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ddanimal   11:45 PM on 12/08/2009
This economic crisis wont be over until we have riots and blood in the street. Hopefully, we will have a good ransacking of Goldman Sachs and Citibank HQs.

And the collapse it coming. This is GD2 all over again. There is too much debt, and its going to get liquidated­.

Get prepared. Close your bank account. Put your cash under your mattress. Buy gold and silver. Move somewhere that you can grow food. Buy a gun and some survival and farming gear.

Unemployme­nt will probably peak at 20%, and GDP will contract by about 30%. GDP has contracted about 6% so far.

This is the big one, folks. Get prepared.
busman   02:29 AM on 12/09/2009
At the way things are going you may be right. For example, one year since collapse of financial system, there are still no real reforms or increased regulation­s, while too-big-to­-fail banks are even bigger. It is no accident that Obama's admin has not initiated actions on these fixes. The corporate powers that he serves will not allow it.

Sooner or later I believe we, the people, will realize that an actual revolution is the only option powerful enough to wrestle power back from the corporatio­ns. We, the people, are the real powers, when we are united. We forget or just don't all know it.
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spinns17   01:09 PM on 12/09/2009
becareful there packing now.lol
dhinds   11:51 PM on 12/11/2009
It ain't going to happen. You're scandalizi­ng the numbers. No one except the loonies want "riots and blood in the street". What, exactly is your goal? As bad as things are, what you're projecting is worse.
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ddanimal   11:37 PM on 12/08/2009
Wake up America and Obamabots.

Look who is getting the bailout checks, and who is paying the bill.

George W Obama is doing the exact same thing that Bush and Clinton before him did: give the pigmen bankers anything they want.

Americans need to wake up and revolt against this tyranny.
dhinds   11:52 PM on 12/11/2009
Any revolt will be political. Period.

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