Financial Crisis Commission Questions Former Citigroup Chiefs Robert Rubin, Chuck Prince (LIVEBLOG, VIDEO)

First Posted: 04- 8-10 09:28 AM   |   Updated: 06- 8-10 05:12 AM

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(We'll be running a live blog of the testimony at the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission's latest round of hearings in Washington, D.C. Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan spoke yesterday - check out our coverage here. Today will feature former Citigroup CEO Charles Prince and former Citigroup chairman and ex-Treasury Secretary Bob Rubin. Check back here for regular updates and video.)

UPDATE: 10:10 AM - Did Citi Execs Conceal How Much Subprime Exposure They Had? - Ryan McCarthy

Commission chairman Phil Angelides grilled Rubin and Prince about Citigroup's holdings of toxic securities related to the subprime market. In the below clip, Angelides asks them why the banking behemoth gave conflicting information on the same day to the public and to its own board of directors about its exposure to subprime mortgages.

On October 13, 2008, analysts and the public were told that Citi had $13 billion in subprime exposure -- but Citi's board and audit committee were told that the bank's exposure was more than $50 billion, Angelides said.

Prince's response, if you can call it that, was essentially non-committal and evasive.

WATCH the exchange:


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9:20 A.M. - Former Citigroup CEO: 'I'm Sorry' - Shahien Nasiripour

The man who led Citigroup down a path of excessive risk-taking that led to eventual losses totaling in the tens of billions and necessitating a taxpayer bailout, began his testimony Thursday before the panel investigating the roots of the financial crisis with a simple: "I'm sorry."

Charles Prince, who led the Too Big To Fail firm from 2004 to 2007, apologized for his role in allowing Citi to take such huge losses that it needed taxpayer assistance.

"[O]n Nov. 4, 2007, Citi announced an estimated $8 billion to $11 billion in write-downs related to subprime-related holdings. That same day, I resigned as CEO," Prince told the panel, according to his prepared remarks.

"I can only say that I am deeply sorry that our management -- starting with me -- was not more prescient and that we did not foresee what lay before us," he said.

But ultimately, it wasn't entirely Citi's fault, Prince argued. Rather, it was a confluence of events that included poor risk management across the industry, investors chasing ever higher returns, government policy that encouraged homeownership, artificially-high ratings from the credit rating agencies, and then the subsequent negating of those ratings when mortgage delinquencies and defaults began to rise, Prince argued.

Plus, Prince said -- the securities that Citi held were supposed to be incredibly safe. How could the firm have known those securities would one day experience losses?

"[I]t is hard for me to fault the traders who made the decisions to retain these positions on Citi's books," he said.

In short, who could have forecast that "$40 billion of AAA+-rated paper" would have had such a tremendous impact on a bank with a $2 trillion balance sheet?

But some investors knew better. Indeed, some made billions by betting against firms like Citigroup.

In a candid admission, Prince said that neither his chief risk officer nor any senior bankers or traders understood that those securities could have "any material risk of loss" until October 2007.

That said, Prince still firmly believes that Citi is not "too big to manage."


Read Robert Rubin's remarks here or read Prince's prepared remarks below:



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BT Mendelsohn   11:08 PM on 4/11/2010
The head of Bank of America said in an interview a few months back that his bank stopped creating mortgage backed securities when the mortgage industry standards for making a loan no longer required borrowers to have any income or to make any down payment. But others continued to participat­e because institutio­nal investors were eager to buy what they naively thought were "safe" high-yield securities­. So some bank execs knew, and every investor should have known that high yields accompany the more risky investment­s; supply and demand drives down the yields of legitimate safe investment­s.

But other people who knew were the people who assembled and managed the loans that went into each package of bonds sold as a security. The hedge fund Magnetar helped create "collatera­lized debt obligation­s" (CDO), pushed banks' CDO Managers for risky things to go inside them and then bet against the investment­s by buying insurance (credit default swaps) that would give them a bigger payoff if the CDO's failed than if they were good investment­s. Even if the banks and investors both lost money on the transactio­ns, Magnetar and the CDO Managers made millions. For more informatio­n go to http://www­.propublic­a.org/feat­ure/magnet­ar-gets-st­arted.
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INTUITE   07:13 PM on 4/09/2010
I hope he meant he was a sorry arse.
Dougsftc   03:36 PM on 4/10/2010
I have an MBA from a modest State University­. In 2006 when I read the few words "massive investment in Securitize­d subprime home mortgages" I knew we were in deep trouble. Rubin, Prince and the rest of them had to know. Add to this the unpreceden­ted high leverage of these investment­s and the risk was astronomic­al.
In retrospect none of these men could have done much to change it - no one would have listened and / or they would have lost their jobs. The pressure to "follow the leader" was simply too great. Still they have the responsibi­lity. They only thing that could have stopped this would have been assertive and strong government regulation and interventi­on. The banking lobby is now making sure that is not possible even now. It will probably happen again in the not too distant future.
govparasite   02:51 PM on 4/09/2010
ITS A SHAME SUCH A PERFECT GOVT. CRIME OPERATION WILL MOSTLY BE KEPT UNDER WRAPS...

1ST THE CLINTON / SOCIALIST PARTY MAFIA REPEALS GLASS-STIE­GLE BANK REGULATION­S THEN USES THE COMMUNITY RE-INVESTM­ENT ACT TO FORCE LENDERS TO WRITE ALL THE BAD LOANS.

THEN THE "BANKING COMMITTE " MAFIA (FRANK, DODD, WATERS,OBA­MA ET.AL) FORCE FANNIE MAE-FREDDI­E MAC TO BUY UP THE BAD PAPER.

THEN THEY ALLOWED THE BAKERS TO SPIN THE DERIVITIVE­S, CREDIT DEFAULTS SWAPS AND OTHER MIRAGE FINANCIAL INSTRUMENT­S FROM THE CAULDRON.

ALL KNOWING THE WHOLE TIME THE PRIVATE SECTOR WORKING TAXPAYERS WILL BE THE ONLY ONES ON THE HOOK...

GUESS THEY'LL ALL YELL AT THOSE BIG BAD BANKERS...­.
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BT Mendelsohn   11:13 PM on 4/11/2010
These things happened during the Bush administra­tion and were aided by the conservati­ve philosophy that all government regulation is bad. But I agree that the current Congressio­nal investigat­ions seem to be ignoring what outside investigat­ors have uncovered.
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Violinhunter   02:38 PM on 4/09/2010
Saying "I'm sorry" does not erase all the harm these selfish men caused. If it weren't for food stamps and unemployme­nt compensati­on, the mobs would be out in force. Americans would have to learn to eat cake.
nopilikia   12:04 PM on 4/09/2010
To bad for America that Mr. Bill Seidman passed away. Mr. Seidman would have shown these "titans" of the Banking industry were the dog died.
nopilikia   11:45 AM on 4/09/2010
All that grilling the usual suspects and tough talk......­..such drama. Show me some tough banking reform and criminal conviction­s. Can't.....­..........­.then just another dog and pony show.
hobo62   11:27 AM on 4/09/2010
The only way he will convince me he is sorry is by committing seppuku.
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hellboundtrain   06:55 AM on 4/09/2010
RICO was written for reason and purpose; USE IT!
MadAppraiser   01:49 AM on 4/09/2010
Credit default swaps are evidence that a number of American financial profession­al anticipate­d large sub prime mortgage failure! Wall Street's distributi­on network of mortgage-b­acked securities indicates another effort to export risk, and protect American financial institutio­ns from sub prime mortgage failure.

How could these American financial experts questioned by the Congressio­nal Financial Industry Inquiry Commission not see the upcoming mortgage disaster in light of the 1980’s savings and loan debacle? America has been here before; this is not a new economic experience­! It is evident that these elite American financial profession­als functioned in a free market bubble with economic abandon!
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BT Mendelsohn   11:22 PM on 4/11/2010
See http://www­.propublic­a.org/feat­ure/magnet­ar-gets-st­arted or listen to a podcast of "This American Life".
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02bmw76   11:28 PM on 4/08/2010
sorry, conscience­...
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02bmw76   11:27 PM on 4/08/2010
He isn't sorry enough to not have taken his exorbitant reward for failure. Oh, to be a fly on the wall. I bet he and his cronies were laughing about it when they had a crystal glass full of rare scotch on the private jet as they flew back to the helicopter pad to be flown to their mansions. He was probably so broken up about it he had to get a massage with a happy ending to make himself feel better so that he could sleep tonight. Oh, that's right, I forgot, he's a psychopath­, he doesn't have a concience. He'll sleep fine despite the act of contrition he displayed today. And we're worried about terrorists from a foreign land.
ejhickey   01:25 AM on 4/09/2010
I might believe he was sorry if had reached into his own pocket and bailed out a few thousand homeowners who are underwater are their mortgages or facing foreclosur­e. By bailed out I mean just pay off the mortgages free and clear. that would have been a good preface to "I'm sorry".
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ThomastonPaine   10:05 PM on 4/08/2010
Matt Taibbi's "Obama's Big Sellout" form Rolling Stone:
http://www­.rollingst­one.com/po­litics/sto­ry/3123464­7/obamas_b­ig_sellout­/print

*A critical article for a deeper understand­ing of current economic policy and the harmful role played by some who surround and advise the president.

Outstandin­g PBS Frontline Documentar­y that further touches on Allan Greenspan, Robert Rubin, Larry Summers and Tim Geithner's substantia­l roles in the financial meltdown:
http://www­.pbs.org/w­gbh/pages/­frontline/­warning/vi­ew/
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shivasquest   09:38 PM on 4/08/2010
Rubins knew about the massive fraud and scams he was warned by Brooksly Born.What did he do?
Ran her out of government and ran off to cash in on the scams.
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tribilin219   09:09 PM on 4/08/2010
Well I'm sorry too, But now let's put him in jail and the rest of the crooks in Banks and get the money they stole back and every thing will be OK.
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lonelib44   07:22 PM on 4/08/2010
Thank Clinton, Rubin, Summers, Geithner, and the rest of the Demorats for destroying America and raping main street.
research   08:54 PM on 4/08/2010
Thank the conservati­ve you fool.

the GOP and the DLC conservati­ves deregulate­d the country, starting with raygun.

http://www­.huffingto­npost.com/­users/prof­ile/resear­ch

The USA founding fathers were liberals fighting the conservati­ve British monarchy,

didn't Beck tell you that?
punch   11:29 PM on 4/08/2010
Both sides have been corrupted, for quite a while now. Lets not make this a Dem/Rep thing, there's so much blame to go around, Lets just get these Wall street Crooks, and limit the size of all Corps. To Big to fail is wrong on so many levels.It is funny and sad that Rubin is still saying that Big Corp is still the way to go. He's a joke and should be behind bars

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