Eurozone crisis: Swiss bank chief quits over dollar trades

• Leaders: we hope to agree fiscal compact before March
• Sarkozy vows to bring in Financial Transaction Tax soon
• Today's agenda
German trade surplus expands

French President Sarkozy waves as he arrives to visit German Chancellor Merkel in Berlin
French president Sarkozy and German chancellor Merkel discussed the EU fiscal compact and a Robin Hood tax in Berlin today. Photograph: Fabrizio Bensch/REUTERS

7.45am: Good morning, and welcome to another day of rolling coverage of Europe's financial crisis.

Today's main event is the first meeting of the year between German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy. The pair are holding talks in Berlin at which they will discuss the new 'fiscal compact' that they hope will hold the eurozone together.

The meeting begins this morning, with a press conference scheduled for lunchtime.

Conveniently, industrial trade data for Germany is released today along with German and French trade data, which should show how both economies are faring.

We'll also be watching the financial markets, where the euro slumped badly last week. Several countries are auctioning short-term debt today, including Hungary -- which was forced to abandon an auction late last month. But surely a sale of six-week bills should fly?....

7.56am: Here's today's agenda:

• Talks between Angela Merkel and Nicolas Sarkozy begin: 10am GMT / 11am CET
• Merkel-Sarkozy press conference in Berlin: 12.30pm GMT / 1.30pm CET.

Other events:
• Sale of 40bn forints of Hungarian debt - 10.30am GMT / 11.30am CET
• Eurozone investor confidence data - 9.30am GMT / 10.30am CET
• German industrial production data - 11am GMT / noon CET.

8.15am: Germany and France have both received encouraging economic news this morning – which suggests that both countries avoided being badly bruised by the crisis late last year.

The latest trade data showed that Germany's trade surplus actually increased in November. Exports rose by 2.5% during the month, while imports dropped, which pushed its seasonally adjusted trade surplus up to €15bn.

Economists said the better-than-expected data indicated that Germany grew faster than feared at the end of 2011. Jurgen Michels of Citigroup called it a "positive surprise".

There was a similiar story for France, where exports grew in November while imports were basically flat. That meant its trade deficit shrank to €4.4bn.

It's quite surprising that both countries posted such good trade data for November, given the scale of the crisis that was raging in the eurozone (this was the month in which technocratic governments were installed in Greece and Italy).

Nicolas Sarkozy and Mario Monti Nicolas Sarkozy hailed Mario Monti's 'inspiring courage' when they met last Friday. Photograph: Antoine Antoniol/Getty Images

8.31am: Today's meeting between Nicolas Sarkozy and Angela Merkel in Berlin is the first big get-together of 2012 (although the French president did meet Italy's Mario Monti last Friday).

January is going to be a busy month, with Merkel and Monti due to meet on Wednesday. All three leaders are then meeting again in Italy on 20 January, ahead of a meeting of EU finance ministers on 23 January, and a EU summit on 30 January.

So why all the jaw-jawing?

Well, having agreed to create a fiscal compact (tighter budgetary rules) for the eurozone at the EU summit of 9 December, Merkel and Sarkozy want to hammer out the details before the next meeting at the end of this month. Including Mario Monti in the talks gives the Merkozy partnership two benefits:
1) another key ally, whose presence might ease fears of a Franco-German carve-up
2) it demonstrates that Europe's biggest problem child is fully involved with the rescue plans, and thus committed to reforming its economy and cutting its deficit.

Sarkozy poured the Gallic charm over Monti last Friday when they met, telling journalists that:

Monti's courage inspires confidence.

France and Italy share identical views on Europe's future and how to resolve the crisis of confidence.

8.58am: Fears that Europe could be heading into a second credit crunch are likely to be fuelled by the latest overnight lending/deposit data from the European Central Bank.

The ECB reported this morning that European banks stashed a total of €463.5bn with it on Friday night – that's a new record high, up from €455.3bn on Thursday.

European Central Bank headquarters in Frankfurt, The European Central Bank headquarters in Frankfurt. Photograph: Ralph Orlowski/Reuters

It's less than three weeks since the ECB loaned half a trillion euros to the region's banks, in an attempt to prevent credit markets seizing up.

However, much of that cash is now being left with the ECB rather than making its way into the real economy. This is alarming banking analysts – as it shows that banks are so worried about lending to rivals that they would rather earn just 0.25% in interest from the central bank.

On a brighter note, though, the ECB said it had loaned just €1.3bn through its overnight lending facility. That's lower than on Thursday – and a significant improvement on the €8bn+ the central bank had to lend in December*.

* -- if banks are borrowing from the ECB at its overnight rate then they've either messed up their maths and need tiding over, or they're really struggling to borrow from the rest of the market.

9.12am: A fairly weak start in the financial markets has seen the FTSE 100 drop 12 points, or 0.2%, this morning to 5637. Germany's Dax posted a similar decline.

City traders are keeping at least one eye on events in Berlin. As Michael Hewson, analyst at CMC Markets, explained:

Markets will be hoping that the one-eyed insistence on budget discipline by Angela Merkel also gives way to looking at practical measures to stimulate growth in Europe.

9.38am: Looking at today's papers, the Financial Times says David Cameron is heading for a major row with his eurosceptic backbenchers over Britain's contributions to the IMF.

The FT reports that government insiders say the UK could put more cash into an IMF eurozone rescue package if other countries, such as Japan, China or Brazil, also do so. It quotes a government insider saying:


There isn't a proposal to do so at the moment, but I'd expect the issue of resources to be discussed in February at the G20 finance ministers meeting.

David Cameron The prime minister could face opposition from his own ranks to increasing Britain's IMF contributions. Photograph: Bloomberg/Bloomberg via Getty Images

As you'll probably remember, in December the UK refused to put €30bn into an IMF rescue fund – partly because Cameron only had parliament's permission to lend another €10bn to the IMF.

At the time, UK officially indicated that they might be prepared to discuss increasing the IMF's resources "at a G20 level". That would need parliament's approval – and there's every sign that Cameron would face a major firestorm if MPs felt the IMF was being forced to fund a rescue job that should really be handled by the European Central Bank.

Live blog - euro.

9.52am: The euro hit a new 16-month low against the US dollar of just $1.2688 early this morning, before recovering more than one cent after surprisingly strong trade data from Germany and France (see 8.15am for the details).

Jane Foley, currency expert at Rabobank, forecasts that the euro will slide to $1.25 against the dollar in the next few weeks. She argues thath today's decent trade data shows that Germany's exporters have profited from the euro's recent weakness. She wrote in a research note that:


Better than expected German trade data this morning is a reminder that for the eurozone the softer euro exchange rate is not all bad news.

The recent better trade and employment data from Germany offers a sprig of positive news from the eurozone and underpins the likelihood any recession could be mild.

Union members and steel workers protest outside the labour ministry in Athens, Greece Union members and steel workers on a two-month strike protest outside the labour ministry in Athens, Greece Photograph: Petros Giannakouris/AP

10.11am: Greece's austerity package continues to batter the country's economy.

The latest Greek industrial data showed that output shrank by 7.8% on a year-on-year basis in November. The slump in output is actually an improvement on October's 12.3% slump in year-on-year output.

The figures will only reinforce fears that Greece's economy is being smashed by the heavy spending cuts and tax rises imposed since the country accepted its first IMF rescue package.

And as if Greece didn't have enough problems – Germany's finance minister Wolfgang Schäuble has urged its leaders to hurry up and agree a debt-reduction deal with its creditors:

Schäuble told German radio that:

Greece...could go faster. We are pushing hard for that.

Greece has to implement what was agreed. All the rescue packages in the world can't help if the causes are not tackled credibly.

Live blog: news flash newsflash

10.39am: In a record move – Germany has sold €3.9bn of six-month bills at a negative interest rate.

The Bundesbank just announced that it sold the debt, repayable in July, at a average yield of - 0.0122%. That means that investors agreed to receive less than they lent to Germany, when the bills are repaid.

According to the Bundesbank, this is the first time that investors have agreed a negative yield at an auction of German debt.

So why would anyone accept a negative interest rate? Typically, this happens for two reasons. Either buyers want protection from deflation, or they fear that there is nowhere better to place their money. In this case, the rush for Safe Havens is probably to blame.

In contrast, Hungary's borrowing costs have been driven even higher today, as the country's political crisis continued to fuel fears that it could default.

Hungary sold 40bn forints (£18m) of six-week debt (repayable in late February) this morning, but was forced to agree an interest rate of 7.77% (up from 7.24% at the previous auction of this kind).

11.08am: To India, where George Soros is going around the country stirring up alarm over the eurozone crisis.

Soros told an audience in Bangalore this morning that the debt crisis in Europe is more dangerous than the global financial turmoil in 2008. The billionaire investor warned that a "deflationary vicious cycle" could strike at the heart of the world economy this year.

The warning comes a couple of days after Soros warned in Hyderabad that the euro was endangering the "political cohesion of the European Union":

If the common currency were to break down, it will lead to the break up of the European Union itself. And this will be catastrophic not only for Europe but also for the global financial system.

11.41am: What can we expect from today's Merkel-Sarkozy meeting? The consensus is that the two leaders will focus on three main points:
1) Putting meat on the bones of a new "fiscal compact" for the eurozone.

What rules will member states have to agree to? What will be the penalties for non-conformance? Who will oversee it?....

...and can we even trust it? Elisabeth Afseth, analyst at Evolution Securities, is dubious:

The European countries did not stick to the fiscal rules in the Stability and Growth Pact, but that's no reason to question future adherence to the compact, is it?

2) A financial transaction tax for Europe.

Merkel and Sarkozy's enthusiasm for a levy on financial charges is matched only by the City of London's antipathy.

Any indication that the Robin Hood Tax might be implemented soon will be welcomed by anti-poverty campaigners. But the situation is getting seriously murky -- yesterday France said it would introduce a financial transaction tax on its own if necessary, while David Cameron pledged to get his veto card out again to prevent an EU-wide levy.

3) A plan to boost growth in Europe.

This is the key focus of the EU summit scheduled for January 30, so it will be interesting to hear Merkel and Sarkozy's views. As today's grim Greek industrial output data showed, fiscal consolidation is already squeezing the life out of parts of the European economy.

French President Sarkozy waves as he arrives to visit German Chancellor Merkel in Berlin Photograph: Fabrizio Bensch/REUTERS

11.51am: Angela Merkel and Nicolas Sarkozy were all smiles at the start of today's meeting in Berlin, as this picture shows.

We're still expecting the press conference to take place at 12.30pm GMT (although veterans of this crisis will be aware that these events have a habit of running late).

11.57am: On the issue of an EU financial transaction tax (see 11.41am for more), my colleague David Gow points out that German newspaper Der Spiegel has laid into Nicolas Sarkozy today for threatening to introduce the FTT on his own.

Spiegel accused the French president of 'going solo' for purely electoral reasons (to thwart his socialist rival, Francois Hollande). So perhaps the French delegation might not get such a warm reception in Berlin after all....

More here.

12.12pm: Those of a nervous disposition should avoid looking at Unicredit's share price today. Italy's largest bank has nearly halved in value this year - yes, since the start of 2012 - and saw its shares suspended again today after they fell by over 10%.

The latest selloff comes amid Unicredit €7.5bn rights issue -- a desperately needed cash call. The 'right to buy new shares' in the bank started trading today, and immediately plunged by around 35%.

Unicredit's struggle may make it much harder for other banks to raise capital in the financial markets. As Louise Cooper of BGC Partners pointed out:

For any other European banks that were considering raising new equity via the markets, the performance of Unicredit must have severely put them off.

Although Unicredit is guaranteed to gets its €7.5bn as the issue is fully underwritten, this is not helping the bank's reputation.

12.35pm: The Merkel-Sarkozy press conference in Berlin is about to start. You can watch it here in German, or here in French.

UPDATE: Or you can watch it on Sky News and BBC 24 with a translation into English!
UPDATED UPDATE: In between adverts, the weather, and the 1pm news headlines, anyway.

12.45pm: The press conference has begun, with Angela Merkel speaking first.

The German chancellor says that discussions about the fiscal compact are "progressing positively". She said there is a "good chance" that the EU will agree the "debt brakes", and such like, so that agreement could be signed at the end of January. Or, at the latest, by the full EU summit in March.

12.47pm: On the issue of the European Stability Mechanism, Merkel says she and Sarkozy agreed that they needed to find a way to speed up the injection of new capital into the ESM.

12.51pm: Thirdly Greece - and Merkel warns that time is running out for Athens. She tells the Berlin press conference that she and Nicolas Sarkozy agreed that negotiations with private creditors over debt haircuts need to be concluded "very quickly now"":

Otherwise, we will reach the point of not being able to pay the next aid tranche to Greece.

12.53pm: Finally, Angela Merkel says she will hold talks with Christine Lagarde, head of the International Monetary Fund, tomorrow, to discuss the situation in Greece.

12.56pm: Now Nicolas Sarkozy speaks, and he also tells the press conference that this morning's negotiations have gone well.

The French president says he and Angela Merkel wants to finalise the negotiations in the next few days, so that it can be signed off at the EU Treaty in March.

Sarkozy also states that he and Merkel agree to ask the European Central Bank to do all it can so that the European Financial Stability Fund (the current bailout vehicle) works "as well as possible".

So far, so united. Onto questions....

12.58pm: Sarkozy is asked to defend France's threat to launch a financial transaction tax on its own. The French president responds extremely robustly, clearly irked by the suggestion that he has broken ranks with Germany.

I am pushing this tax becuase Mrs Merkel and I said we agreed in principle to this tax.

Sarkozy went on to defend the concept of a Robin Hood tax on financial transactions, saying there have been "scandalous" behavious in the financial world in the run-up to the current financial crisis.

Sarkozy said he plans to present details of a financial transaction tax by the end of January.

Angela Merkel also weighed in on this issue, saying that she wants EU finance ministers to draw up plans for an FTT across the EU by end of March.

That would appear to herald another clash between Britain and the rest of the EU. The UK government's position is that it will not accept an FTT unless it is introduced worldwide.

1.09pm: Another reporter risks Sarkozy's ire by raising the question of France's AAA credit rating. Is it at risk?

The French president found the issue amusing, appearing to laugh at the question. That's a no then.

Angela Merkel offered some support, saying that neither France nor Germany will lose their triple-A credit rating.

Over to you, S&P....

1.17pm: The euro has fallen steadily since the press conference began. Or, more specifically, since Angela Merkel threatened Greece with the loss of its next aid tranche unless it reaches a 'haircut deal' with its creditors.

From a high of $1.2785 against the dollar, the euro has now lost half a cent. That still leaves it someway above the 16-month low it hit in the early hours.

Angela Merkel and Nicolas Sarkozy Angela Merkel and Nicolas Sarkozy at today's press conference. Photograph: Odd Andersen/AFP/Getty Images

1.26pm: Merkel's threat that Greece might lose its next aid tranche if it can't agree a deal with its creditors is pretty serious. These negotiations have been running for several weeks -- with apparent deadlock over the issue of the 'haircut' which lenders will accept.

The original plan was for a 50% haircut on Greek debt. However, lenders are now apparently being asked for a 60% cut instead.

And without the aid tranche, Greece would be unable to pay €14bn of debt redemptions that come up by the end of March. A default would surely end its membership of the euro....

Despite the threat -- Merkel insisted that she still hopes that Greece will remain in the euro:


Our goal is that no country has to leave the euro zone. ... We have said time and again that Greece is a special case and if you look at the Greek data you see that the contribution of the private sector is a necessary precondition but not a sufficient one to get Greece back onto an acceptable path.

We have agreed a voluntary debtrestructuring with the banks. Greece should get a chance but Greece remains a special case.

(quote via Reuters)

1.33pm: Some breaking news from outside the eurozone crisis -- Philipp Hildebrand, the president of the Swiss National Bank has just resigned.

More soon.

1.38pm: Here's a quick round-up of the key developments at this lunchtime's press conference with Angela Merkel and Nicolas Sarkozy.

Greece was warned that time is running out to reach a deal with its creditors. Merkel said that Greece will not receive its next aid tranche unless the terms of the Private Sector Involvement (the haircut agreed by its lenders) are hammered very soon.

The EU fiscal compact is on track to be ready by March. Sarkozy said that negotiations will be wrapped up "in the coming days", so that it can be signed on 1 March. Merkel reckoned the details could be agreed by the end of January.

France and Germany remain committed to implementing a financial transaction tax. They want a plan drawn up ready for EU finance ministers' meeting in March.

Live blog: substitution

So, no major breakthrough (but who really expected one?). So I'll hand this blog over to my colleague Alex Hawkes. Thanks.

1.47pm: Good afternoon everyone. The shock resignation in the last few minutes of Philipp Hildebrand, president of the Swiss National Bank, has stunned the City.

My colleague Jill Treanor has the story:

Philipp Hildebrand, the boss of the Swiss central bank, suddenly quit at lunch time, just hours before he was due to appear before a parliamentary committee.

He was due to face tough questioning over currency dealings made by his wife, Kashya, that allowed her to profit from policy measures implemented by Hildebrand that were intended to stop the Swiss franc's rise.

Der Sonntag had earlier reported that Hildebrand intended to submit emails to parliament showing his wife acted alone in buying $504,000 with Swiss francs on August 15, three weeks before the Swiss National Bank intervened to stem the currencies rise during the eurozone crisis.

The transactions made a a profit of SFr75,000 (£52,000) as the dollar was worth 0.79 Swiss francs on August 15 and 0.92 Swiss francs on October 4.

A the end of last week, Hildebrand, who joined the central bank in 2003 before taking over as president in January 2010, was insisting he would not resign from post that earned him credit for cutting interest rates to zero and put him centre stage of plans to force UBS and Credit Suisse Group to hold more capital.

The SNB said in a brief statement that Hildebrand would speak about his decision at 14:15GMT at a media briefing in Berne and make available a number of unspecified documents.

2.09pm: While all that has been going on, David Cameron has been offering his views on the eurozone crisis.

The Prime Minister was being interviewed on Sky News, and said that he thought the "most likely outcome" was that the euro would hold together, despite the current debt crisis.

PA news has this:

[Cameron] stressed that in the longer term it was essential to address the "fundamental competitiveness divide" between the powerful German economy and the weaker southern states.

"I think that the most likely outcome is, yes, it will hold together but it has to take some pretty decisive steps," he told Sky News's Boulton & Co.

"There are the short-term sticking plaster steps of a proper firewall to prevent contagion around Europe, a much more decisive settlement for Greece which the problem still hasn't gone away, strengthening the European banks.

"But that is only the short term. The longer term is that you have got to address the fact that there is a lack of competitiveness between Germany on the one hand and many of the southern European countries on the other.

"You can't have a single currency with those fundamental competitiveness divides unless you have massive transfers of wealth from one part of Europe to another."

2.22pm: Some quick comment from Geoff Kendrick at Nomura on Hildebrand's resignation and its implications for the strength of the Swiss franc (which spiked briefly immediately following the announcement).


Hildebrand's resignation just now doesn't change anything for EUR/CHF, in my view.

One man doesn't make a central bank (outside of Greenspan) and, as such, I continue to see the 1.20 floor as 100% credible. The small dip in EUR/CHF on the announcement was a buying opportunity.

In terms of who becomes his successor, Thomas Jordan is the likely replacement for the top job. This will leave a replacement role needed for the third position on the board. This is very likely to be an internal candidate, as when Roth resigned, Danthine came from internal.

2.28pm: Philipp Hildebrand is now speaking.

He says he has quit because he cannot provide final proof that his wife made the forex trades without his knowledge.

He said the policies of the SNB were successful in recent years, and that his decision should help maintain its credibility.

Live blog - US flag

2.32pm: The US markets have opened, but aren't going anywhere fast.

The Dow Jones is up 9 points, a rise of 0.07%, and the S&P 500 is up 2.4 points, or by 0.19%.

2.34pm: The SNB says Thomas Jordan will take over as chairman for the time being, and that the free position on its three-person board will be filled as soon as possible.

2.42pm: Here is a bit more from that Hildebrand press conference in Berne:

In view of the continued public debate centres on these financial transactions and following detailed examination of all documentation and reflection since the news conference, I have come to the conclusion it is not possible to provide conclusive and final evidence that my wife did initiate the transaction without my knowledge.

The fact is my word is my bond I had no knowledge of my wife's transaction on that day.

3.53pm: Philipp Hildebrand's wife Kashya has spoken about the trading that led to her husband's resignation.

Reuters is saying that she has apologised unreservedly to the Swiss people, the Swiss National Bank and to her husband.

3.59pm: Another note on David Cameron's comments about the euro on Sky News earlier today.

Cameron refused to rule out contributing more to the IMF, saying:

We have set out our conditions for contributing more to the IMF. We support countries and not currencies or currency zones. The IMF shouldn't be doing what the eurozone itself should be doing.

4.16pm: The Bank of England's Mervyn King has offered his view on the departure of Philipp Hildebrand too.

The Reuters snap reads that King is "saddened by departure of SNB's Hildebrand, he is a man of total integrity."

Live blog: Nils Pratley Live blog: Nils Pratley

4.20pm: The Guardian's Nils Pratley has blogged on the departure of Hildebrand here.

His conclusion?


Mr Hildebrand should have reversed the transaction the following day, when he said he became aware of it, and set up a blind trust. He said last week he regrets not having done so. Too late. He had to go.

4.48pm: The markets have closed down for the day.

The FTSE 100 fell 0.66%, or by 37 points.

The French Cac was down 0.3% and the German Dax 0.6%.

5.27pm: Ok, it's time to wrap up here. Before we go I thought this piece on Goldman Sachs' predictions for oil and gold was worth a look.

Goldman's head of commodities research Jeff Currie says both oil and gold will be stronger at the end of the year - and that recent falls in gold were temporary.

Goldman is expecting Brent Crude to end the year at $127.50 (currently at $112), and gold to rise to $1,940 (currently at $1,612).


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  • ballymichael

    9 January 2012 8:04AM

    the report in Spiegel, Sarkozy's solo suggests that they're going to agree to disagree on the Transaction Tax. The german line remains that it should be introduced EU-wide - requiring UK agreement (which will presumably never happen).

    Other areas of disagreement. Both france and italy want more emphasis on growth.

  • alan280170

    9 January 2012 8:11AM

    More rescue talks, better get Tintin at this rate. The slowest car crash in history (allegedly).

  • Optymystic

    9 January 2012 8:17AM

    7.45am:

    the first meeting of the year between German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy. The pair are holding talks in Berlin at which they will discuss the new 'fiscal compact' that they hope will hold the eurozone together.


    We could be forgiven for thinking that yet again this is completely the wrong agenda. The predictions have come true, the economic disaster foretold his on us. Spanish near 25% unemployment levels are at those of the 1930s, so there is little to lose and everything to gain from drastic measures such as e.g.Spain leaving the euro unilaterally. It beggars belief that Spain, Italy etc are not actively and publicly discussing this.

    Where is the risk, what is the downside, mass unemployment? It has already arrived.

  • Aigueville

    9 January 2012 8:28AM

    According to Ouest France Alain Trannoy, of l’École des hautes études en sciences sociales says, "It makes no sense," for France alone to implement the tax.

    Grumppphhh, this post facility doesn't like accents. Surely it should be on the DM website?

  • Fatigued

    9 January 2012 8:29AM

    There is no doubt that southern Europe i.e. Spain/ Italy need to radically transform their labor markets and boost productivity, that Italian national finances and Spanish banks are trashed etc. However the 'fiscal compact' is not about resolving these issue 'euro crisis ' it's about ensuring that french and German banks don't require a bail out due to the amount of 'southern European debt they hold. However the wheel will fall of the entire charade at some point and immense damage will have been done and the underlying problems will remain unresolved. This really is a pathetic spectacle.

  • madeupname2

    9 January 2012 8:37AM

    Like new regulations are going to help. Fiscal rules and penalties are already in place, including a deficit/GDP requirement. Pre-crisis the French and Germans broke these rules but the Spanish didn't. This simply isn't where the problem lies.

  • Aigueville

    9 January 2012 8:52AM

    It would be almost impossible for France even to proceed alone because parliament will be in recess from the beginning of March... Then the presidential elections begin in April...

  • Hyperzeitgeist

    9 January 2012 8:52AM

    8.31am: Today's meeting between Nicolas Sarkozy and Angela Merkel in Berlin is the first big get-together of 2012 (although the French president did meet Italy's Mario Monti last Friday).

    January is going to be a busy month, with Merkel and Monti due to meet on Wednesday. All three leaders are then meeting again in Italy in January 20, ahead of a meeting of EU finance ministers in January 23, and a EU summit on January 30.

    Why don't thet just move in together? It would certainly save a lot of time. In fact it might make a good basis for a sitcom. Maybe they could call it " 'Til Death (of the euro) Us Do Part". Or perhaps "Angie's Nest (of vipers).

  • vercol

    9 January 2012 8:59AM

    The answer in part to your question is that savings and investments are in Euros. On exiting the Euro those savings would be cut by 25-50%. Panic would ensue. Mortgages would probably be maintained in Euros but the house value would now be in the new currency creating massive negative equity.

    The consequences of leaving the Euro are massive and there is no easy answer

  • ShiresofEngland

    9 January 2012 9:10AM

    Conspiracy theory number 14.

    Sarkozy and Merkel get together every few weeks for a Euro summit. Place big bet going long on the Euro when they issue a communique. Then reverse the deal going short two days later when everyone realises it is more empty rhetoric.

    Markets, go up, markets go down, nice little earner for the pair of them.

    That's the only reason I can see why they get together as they always seem to studiously avoid actually doing anything which might fix the Euro crisis.

    btw Hyper, like your idea of sit coms.

  • Hyperzeitgeist

    9 January 2012 9:15AM

    On a brighter note, though, the ECB said it had loaned just €1.3bn through its overnight lending facility. That's lower than on Thursday - and a significant improvement on the €8bn+ hit in December*

    Sorry Graeme, are you talking about 1.3 billion over the weekend? If so what is the total so far this month? Considering that it's less than a third of the way through January it might be a bit early to say the Decenber total won't be surpassed.

  • RansonStaks

    9 January 2012 9:17AM

    WAKE UP EVERYBODY. Eurozone crisis: Merkel and Sarkozy hold rescue talks AGAIN ! once it's all over do you think they will be up for Strictly Come Dancing or will they going in to the Big Brother House? To be honest I think they missed a great opportunity for a Euro Zone Crisis Come Dine With Me Christmas Special. Maybe they can do it next year if we all survive the end of the world Iran War on the 21st of December. It would be great to see Ahmadinejad as a judge on the X Factor. I just hope Cowell can get clearance from the Illuminati so he can claw a few viewers back from Brucie and the Z list celebrity flash dancers.

  • VSLVSL

    9 January 2012 9:24AM

    My Euro prediction for today is that all the usual suspects will be back tomorrow again predicting the imminent demise of the Euro.

  • 3dZiggy

    9 January 2012 9:39AM

    Following the daily news (propaganda?), it becomes clear to me that we have to get used to the fact that Europe, like the rest of the world is being ruled by money only.

    As we see China evolve to economic world domination, like many forecast, the US cling to their military power to protect their oil interests and the income from it.

    Meanwhile Europe is making steps to combine finance, taxes and power into one package. Germany and France make the most money, so apparently they should be ruling our finances.

    I find it shocking that in times where the financial system has well and truly put all of us in huge debt, we still seem to believe that we have to put the power in the hands of the ones that make the money.

    Saving the Euro by selling the power to China, do we really think this is a good idea?
    Creating one fiscal union under Franco-German rule will make things a lot easier when it comes to tearing down our social system to a level which is a mix between The US and China.
    The level of civilisation we have built up in Europe over centuries, whatever you may think of it, will come to crumble.

    But,... the economy will be saved, and that is what counts! ... or is it?

  • OFFMYBACK

    9 January 2012 9:44AM

    Obviously Borroso and the rest of his unelected cardinals in the EU commission would love to get control of European finances. Merkel and Sarkozy seem to be happy to have the high priest officiate at their marriage of convenience . The fact that neither of their parents is prepared to pay the dowry seems to have escaped them.

  • TonyWK

    9 January 2012 9:45AM

    I’m not the brightest lamp the table when it comes to understanding the real extent of the problems we face within the UK and Eurozone.

    However what is evident, the Germans and French seem to be the only two countries in the Eurozone. Could someone explain to me why the other Eurozone economies are not in Berlin today, why are these guys making decisions for other sovereign countries?

    I thought I’d ask ..
    Something is really wrong with this picture!!!!

  • HansCh

    9 January 2012 9:46AM

    Deficit is one factor only that combines with others.
    Economy needs to be solid based, not an empty-bubble only, which lets it merely "appear" sound (the real estate- bubble of Spain).
    German deficit in the late 80ies and early nineties was due to unification with former east Germany; one year before budget deficit was low; now it is too high today and must be reduced.

    Sadly, when economy needs to be stimulated in a "low period", this is difficult, if debts are already too high and tend to get excessive when governmental "stimulation programs" need to be run.

  • RansonStaks

    9 January 2012 9:47AM

    I thought the whole point of joining the euro zone was to drum up a few more votes in the Eurovision song contest. We all need to accept it has proved to be a fruitless exercise. I've heard that Macca and Ringo are to be drafted in to give it one last shot this year and if we cannot bring the trophy home then Cameron will spit the dummy out and tell Merkel and the Midget to do one.

  • adinus

    9 January 2012 9:47AM

    Why does every photo of Merkel and Sarkozy together have to have some kind of sexual undertone? (like the one at the top of this page)

  • Shadowmind

    9 January 2012 9:48AM

    The euro crisis is this something that can be resolved through the euro zone working together?
    or are external forces trying to get it to collapse, as this all seems market driven and who controls the markets?

  • sutski123

    9 January 2012 9:50AM

    I recommend the politico's (and most financial journo's!) should read some FOFOA before getting too hot under the collar about the EURO situation...

    As the ECB adjusts the value of the Euro gold reserves ever quarter.....the latest Mark-to-Market party has just happenened....giving (this last 1/4) a 3.6 billion euro increase to the gold and gold receivables part of the euro balance sheet......

    http://fofoa.blogspot.com/2012/01/party-like-its-mtm-time.html

    Got any gold yet?

  • guydenning

    9 January 2012 10:02AM

    Why does every photo of Merkel and Sarkozy together have to have some kind of sexual undertone? (like the one at the top of this page)


    That says more about you than the photographer or picture editor. I live in France. I'm a bloke. I kiss my good friends when I meet them (men included). It doesn't mean we're all planning to shag each other.

  • JetexJim

    9 January 2012 10:09AM

    @VSLVSL
    "My Euro prediction for today is that all the usual suspects will be back tomorrow again predicting the imminent demise of the Euro."

    Too right, and seeing as Cameron is expected to offer Alex Salmond a referendum on Scottish independence shortly, with its implications of independent membership of the euro, I think you can expect more of the same for the next 18months.

    All those think tanks, Policy Exchange etc need to be doing something for the money.

  • driffielddave

    9 January 2012 10:11AM

    In the space of a few weeks, the newspapers inform me of two breakups, and one possible future divorce:

    - Obama saying the US withdraws from Europe
    - Cameron being told to get lost by the rest of the EU
    - Instead of a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU, we get a referendum on Scotland's membership of the UK.

    We've been reading articles about the imminent breakup of the euro real soon now for years. Yet when decisive ruptures appear, they appear not in the eurozone, but within the Anglo-Saxon world. I do not feel reading newspapers prepared me for these events.

  • RobertSchuman

    9 January 2012 10:15AM

    About the German trade surplus (from Spiegel):

    Etwa 40 Prozent der deutschen Exporte gehen in die Euro-Zone. Die Statistiker meldeten für die Ausfuhren in die Länder mit Gemeinschaftswährung ein Plus von 7,7 Prozent. Die Exporte in Länder außerhalb der EU stiegen um 8,2 Prozent.

    It says that around 40% of German exports go to the Eurozone and that growth to EZ states was 7.7% (compared to last year) while the export growth to non-EZ states was almost identical wiht 8.2%.

    Additional info in the article:
    - orders have fallen
    - exports from Germany will have exceeded 1trillion euros in 2011 for the first time
    - majority of German economists (sample) think Germany already is in a "mild" recession and expect 2012 growth only at around 0.5% after a weak Q1 2012.

  • chrish

    9 January 2012 10:21AM

    Germn Nov trade figures out. The rebalancing of the Eurozone not going well. German exports up, German imports down ,trade surplus up. The wrong country is reducing expenditure and increasing exports, increasing the divergence. FAIL.

  • AlpujarranSpur

    9 January 2012 10:26AM

    What gets me is the alleged'data' that shows both Germany's and France's trade deficit increased over the November period. How? Who is importing more German and French goods? Was it Greece, Italy and Spain who had to increase their imports from those countries to receive bailout money—? As has been noted by ‘economists’ the news comes as somewhat of a positive surprise considering the month in question。 They forget the details。

    They say ‘better than expected’, I say ‘too good to be true’。

  • Writeangle

    9 January 2012 10:28AM

    The EU elite told us in no uncertain terms that they had 10 days to fix the Euro and the 10 days ran out in December. Surely there is now no problem left to fix?

  • errrrr

    9 January 2012 10:31AM

    Merkel and Sarkozy are holding rescue talks?

    Thank goodness! We'll be alright now. They'll sort it out.

  • ballymichael

    9 January 2012 10:35AM

    And as if Greece didn't have enough problems -- Germany's finance minister Wolfgang Schäuble has urged its leaders to hurry up and agree a debt-reduction deal with its creditors:

    to recap briefly, greece got an outline haircut of 50% on private sector involvement. In return for further austerity measures. Formally speaking, the haircut is "voluntary", but that was basically just to avoid a "credit event" and so payout on credit default swaps, widening the contagion.

    Now, in normal circumstances, with most heavily indebted governments, getting the signatures on a debt haircut which the banks have (after huge pressure by other EU governments, principally germany and france) agreed to would be a pretty high priority, and rather a pleasant activity. Finally getting the foreign creditors to waive debts. Yay!

    But here we are, several months on. And it hasn't happened yet. Because the Papademos government appears to be riven with internal arguments between Pasok and New Democracy, mostly.

    It seems, in short, a reasonable thing for Schäuble to say. The situation for the banks is worsening. The greeks really needed to move fast on that haircut, otherwise the banks will just unilaterally withdraw from the deal.

  • MrBendy

    9 January 2012 10:41AM

    Caption competition:

    Sarkozy: "I reckon we get our voters off our backs by targeting the British with a new tax. It won't fix the Euro but, hey, it'll buy us some time and it'll be hilarious to make the most Eurosceptic country pay even more of the EU's bills. In the long term it might even destroy a major part of Britain's economy and force them to grovel for entry to the Euro!"

    Merkel: "Yeah, that's a fantastic idea. And get this: there are millions of left-wingers in Britain who'll actually help by demanding that their government accept pretty much anything we propose that will damage their own country!"

  • chrish

    9 January 2012 10:41AM

    Merkozy brainwave of bringing in the FTT at the moment the European banks are desperately trying to refinance themselves through equity issuance on instruction from EU policy makers rather than cutting back on lending which would lead to further monetary tightening and threat to push the whole of Eurozone into to depression appears to be acting as expected.

    Unicredit share prices has dived either further today and is now not that far off its offer price. Can't see other EU banks rushing to follow their example.

    Merkozy's response to the Soveriegn debt crisis moves from the incompetent and incomprehensible to the plain ridiculous, The main measure they look like debating today. The financial transaction tax will reduce banks future profitability and hence their ability to raise new capital in the equity market and lead them to cut back on lending books and holdings in 'speculative' periphery soveriegn debt. Intensifying the soveriegn debt crisis and the monetary squeeze currently going on in the Eurozone.

    Their approach is completely disjointed and seems set to worsen the Euro crisis rather than solve it. Whether an FTT is a good idea or not, it should be obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense this is the worst possible time to enact one.

  • madeupname2

    9 January 2012 10:42AM

    The ten days thing was intended, I think, to underscore that the Euro was reaching a point of no return - not that collapse was imminent. I think that point of no return has now passed for two reasons. 1) Italian borrowing costs aren't going to return to sustainable levels. No-one can afford to bail them out, so the outcome will either be a massive default or massive money printing. 2) Greece will leave the Euro. When this happens other fringe countries will find accessing finance even more difficult as lenders will now be acutely aware of the dangers of lending to them in Euros. The process will become self re-enforcing and one by one more and more weak economies will be forced to leave. Ten year's depression doesn't begin to describe what we'll be up against.

  • Continent

    9 January 2012 10:42AM

    Could someone explain to me why the other Eurozone economies are not in Berlin today, why are these guys making decisions for other sovereign countries?

    Because this is not an Euro Group meeting but a bilateral one. Decisions on the euro are made by vote at meetings by the Euro Group chaired by the Luxembourg PM and meetings are held in Luxembourg.

  • klassy

    9 January 2012 10:44AM

    Jane Foley, currency expert at Rabobank, forecasts that the euro will slide to $1.25 against the dollar in the next few weeks. She argues thath today's decent trade data shows that Germany's exporters have profited from the euro's recent weakness

    Altogether now to the tune of 'The Producers' hit: 'Springtime for Merkel and Germany, winter for Greece...and all the other EU countries'.

  • bellota

    9 January 2012 10:52AM

    Well, well European Union have a new crisis, because Greece doesn´t have money to pay the debt. But U.K prefer to go out the union. In fact European Union go on with U.K or without U.K. Stept by stept European Union walks alone, and in the next European Congress, U.K sholud be gone out the European Union.
    There is a reason, the Shark´s City, you protect them, and the other European countries pays the bill of Shark´s City.

  • ballymichael

    9 January 2012 10:57AM

    Merkozy brainwave of bringing in the FTT at the moment the European banks are desperately trying to refinance themselves through equity issuance on instruction from EU policy makers rather than cutting back on lending which would lead to further monetary tightening

    In this case, it's at the moment Sarkozy, not Merkel. So "merkozy" is currently not applicable.

  • PseudologiaFantastic

    9 January 2012 11:00AM

    bellota | 9 January 2012 10:52AM

    There is a reason, the Shark´s City, you protect them, and the other European countries pays the bill of Shark´s City.

    Sounds like you won't be happy until they're all swimming with the fishes.

  • chrish

    9 January 2012 11:02AM

    Because this is not an Euro Group meeting but a bilateral one. Decisions on the euro are made by vote at meetings by the Euro Group chaired by the Luxembourg PM and meetings are held in Luxembourg.

    In theory may be. In practice we all know decisions at the moment are made bilaterally between Merkozy and are then rubber stamped by the Euro Group and presented to the EU as a 'fait accompli'.

  • Canaryatthewharf

    9 January 2012 11:05AM

    Hi all, back from the holiday period, possibly even refreshed enough to change my pessimism on the Euro-zone outlook. If only the pesky economic data would suggest an upturn is feasible maybe the markets would calm down.

    But the only good news is partial, for Germany and maybe France, if the trade data is reliable. And didn't figures last week show even Germany factory orders down, so maybe the trade figures are a lagging indicator.

    Does anyone know what's going on with Unicredit? I thought the banking system was one of the few pluses Italy had, with little exposure to the sub-prime fiasco and sound domestic practices. The only think I can think of is it needs to boost its capital due to exposure to Eastern Europe (Hungary?) and the GIPSIs' sovereign debt.

    Market reluctance to re-capitalise an otherwise sound (or am I being too optimistic bank) does not bode well for efforts to get capital into Commerzbank etc.

    The continued placing of bank deposits with the ECB rather than with other banks also suggests a credit crunch in much of Europe, with banks needing to shrink loan books to match their deposits and cut their capital needs.

    So, any bets for when the crisis will become acute again?

    Or is 2012 going to be when the UK or US attracts market pressure?

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