Steve Bell on Scottish independence vote – cartoon

Brilliant, sums it up perfectly....trouble is my money is on the man in the blue woad

Interesting. The last time Steve Bell depicted Cameron's arse, Nick Clegg was sticking out of it.

Cameron better be careful, the Scots are not overly fond of Tories. Particularly smarmy and divisive Tories. The man is a scunner in all senses of the word!!

I suspect that Scotland will ultimately say 'our boot up your arse.'

'Your face - My arse!'

Is that a request or an order?

Once he's paid off, Salmond's lips will be stuck together with Prick Stick
- that handy old big business-glue.

james ( cantab student @ get rid of scotland please . soon )

Will ye no come back again?
Will ye no come back again?
More deeply loathed ye canna be,
Will ye no come back again?

Pass the popcorn!

Many Scots would take independence and happily wish England all the best. Yes this cartoon is funny but elsewhere in this newspaper an editorial is calling for a grown-up approach from all sides in handling the referendum, so enough with the sabre-rattling, please.

Having said that, fight, fight, fight!

My money's on Salmond for a TKO.

Broken Britain?

Soon will be .

well done Dave.

Not.

I said when Cameron formed the coalition that I believed the Tory Old Guard would "get him" before anyone else and the Conservative and UNIONIST Party must be wishing he could just keep his stupid mouth shut.

Boundery Changes and the Nasty Labour seats in Scotland vanish .

Hello Tory little england.

No future just a bigots paradise and airstrip 1 for uncle sam.

I said when Cameron formed the coalition that I believed the Tory Old Guard would "get him" before anyone else and the Conservative and UNIONIST Party
................
think they will oust him in a backbench revolt ..when the economy goes total tits up by the end of this year...walkies.

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Cameron's advisors (what ! You didn't think he thought this up himself I hope?) should be sacked.

Much has been made about the SNP 'Choosing' 2014 to play up to Scot's sentiment's over Bannockburn (first mistake. 95% of Scottish voters are much more pragmatic these days - and many of them are English or part-English), but there's not a shred of evidence for this - it's media 'creativity' (second mistake - his advisors should have checked).

The Tory option of 2013 ? The 500th anniversary of the Battle of Flodden ?? Fought just a few miles from Michael Moore's house - where 12,000 Scots were slaughtered by an English army ??? (Third mistake - if you want real historical sentiment - go to the Moore's seat during the Common Ridings).

Every town and village in Moore's constituency commemorates that battle every year, and he's going to be reminded of that every time he steps out his front door.
Choosing 2013 looks like the Bullingdon Boys giving the restaurant owner a kicking after they've destroyed his livelihood .... and laughing about it ... then paying the LibDems to clean up and pay for the damage.

The Tories have made the "Bannockburn sentimentality" claims without a shred of evidence.
And they've suggested 2013 without bothering to find out what THAT particular date means for any Scot (or Border Anglo-Scot like me) who knows their history.

Moore will be having nightmares.

The Scots King, and the 'great and good' of Scotland, died in THAT battle.

"The flo'ers o' the Forest are a' wede awa' ?

Cameron's just brought them back to life !

No - a match made in hell.
Time to put a match to the Union in its present form.

fformat

10 January 2012 1:43AM

No - a match made in hell.
Time to put a match to the Union in its present form
.................
enjoy a balkanised clapped out island.

Cameron ,the Pm who got in on 'broken Britain'then smashed its social infrastructure and poured gasoline on the flames of bigotry and tribal factions .

when the whole shebang falls apart ....I hope the Clarksons ,the Daily Mail types ..the bigots in whitevans ..are all happy .

Steve Bell

Thanks be to the cartoon gods -- you're back!

Cheers!

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The Squadrone Volante and the Court Party were bribed in 1707, the people never wanted Union!

Time to vote people!

Bollocks

get some manners .

Oh give over ..you will be dragging up Rob Roys ghost next .

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ConstantinePlaymates

'when the whole shebang falls apart ....I hope the Clarksons ,the Daily Mail types ..the bigots in whitevans ..are all happy .'

Yes indeed - and you can keep 'em and good luck. I was born in Glasgow and still live in a country which overwhelmingly rejects the Tory principles inherent in the examples you cite.

'Tongue in cheek' I hop e Corinthianism, but just in case someone else comes up with the nonsense of 'Sponging Jocks ..... :

I don't know where people get the idea that England will be better off financially.

Because the evidence - the facts - and the fiscal studies carried out by national and international experts and 'think tanks' show the opposite.

The McCrone report (go and read it), suppressed for 30 years by successive governments, told the truth. So it was marked 'Secret' and buried in a vault.
It's been updated and confirmed many times.
Yes, we have to include oil revenues - International law has proved that over 90% lies in Scottish water (and Westminster was forced to agree) - but when the London media does the 'England v Scotland' thing, those revenues are never included.
And at today's extraction rates, there's another 40 years-worth (£1 Trillion) left. But the technology is improving all the time, and the oil companies know there are huge reserves waiting.

So with the oil, every Scottish resident pays as much into the Treasury as every Londoner. The difference is what the Scot's get back :

Scotland receives - £10,400 (pop 5.2 million) per head, per year

LONDON - £10,655 (pop 8 million) - ph/py
And that's why the London media always reduces the Treasury's individual regional/country spending figures to : England V Scotland V Wales V NI.
London gets the biggest share - by a lot ! People in the regions should be asking 'Why ?'

And that's just Public Services, not Capital or other projects.

McCrone suggested where the revenues could be spent - a 'London ring road' was one.

The more recent Ansel Reports confirm this : Oil revenues paid for the M25, the Channel Tunnel, the massive regeneration seen in London, Underground extensions and upgrades and more (I'd add the Iraq war too).
The rest of England was thrown a few crumbs, while London and the SE got the rest.

The most recent 'Oxford Economics' study of Public Finances I've seen is unequivocal :

"London receives a far greater share of public spending than any other region in the UK..." - sums it up nicely. And accurately.

Cleevr chap Alex ..use the Barnett Formula to bribe the voters ..get independance ..no tax subsidy from England then the shit hits the fan and Salmond starts the cuts .

Of course you Guardianistas are all such super brained mighty Mekon intellectuals .
sooner this paper goes bankrupt pear shaped the better .

people know the Mail and Sun is claptrap ..but you sad pseuds take it so serious .

laugh ..bring on the slutwalks Dr Who and Lemons ..muppets

I have no manners, i am but a working class oik.

good luck .... I toatally agree with you ..however you will end up ecomomicaly up shite creek

Is that you showing me the missing manners?

Ranald

10 January 2012 2:17AM
Response to ConstantinePlaymates, 10 January 2012 2:08AM

I have no manners, i am but a working class oik.
...............
im a working class oik ..dragged up in a slum in the 50s

However I do have manners ..

Sorry sir

Hey Ranald, how much are the Scots going to ransom Faslane for?

I can't see any English towns welcoming a prime nuclear target so you have them over a Trident shaped barrel.

We Welsh need to know for when we get round to setting the price for Brum and Scouse water supplies. Not to mention the gas in that there pipe John Harris hated.

Ranald

10 January 2012 2:18AM
Response to ConstantinePlaymates, 10 January 2012 2:16AM

Is that you showing me the missing manners?

..........
no just getting something off my chest .
I first started buying the Guardian in 1974
I do not anymore.

well Im off you are relieved .
have fun posting ..I wont bother again
bye bye guardian ..
I give it 1 year and this paper will fold .

shame ...mind you saved me 1.20 p aday :)

keep on slutwalking comrades.

The Scots were forced at gunpoint to vote for union, we had no choice.

Scotland had little or no navy and our trade with continental Europe was being strangled by the Royal Navy, we also couldn't trade with the Americas and West Indies, all that sugar was out of bounds.

Scotland's money was required for war with France, there was also the matter of maintaining a Protestant succession, the Catholic House of Stuart was still a perceived threat.

Do you know about the 1705 Alien Act? Scotland had no choice but to agree to an unequal union.

The man is a scunner in all senses of the word!!

Absolutely, an a sleekit one at that !

life's tough Historys the past .

however if you think you going enjoy a modern welfare state infrastructure with naff all farming and industry ...dream on

as soon as the Barnett formula dries up ...bring on the cuts .

Youl have independance but naff all on the table .

Constantine, why post here insulting others on a personal basis when you wish the Guardian to cease to exist?
No kleenex left?

My great Grandfatther a Scot and also a Laird .

Im no fan of Englands elite .
gdnite.

Ah, Cameron the "Unionist" that is going to preside over the disintegration of the UK

I hear that Plaid Cymru is getting a bit restive too, soon all he will be left with is the DUP, but if you choose to sup with the Devil...

Cameron could rule the Home Counties as an independet Duchy.

independent*

The crazy thing about this cartoon is that Cameron is half Scottish, just like the Queen. Cameron's father was born in Aberdeenshire.

I have no idea to whom to attribute this to, but remember....

Scotland has more pandas than Tory MPs

It could help empower English nationalists if they see Scotland go it's own way. Maybe that's what the Westminster cabal are really frightened about? Being left alone with a bunch of pissed off English.

Can't agree that Salmond is in anyway shape or form as objectionable as cameron or that this is a stand off/square go. Far from it. So this cartoon is fail for me.

Here's your bunnet Eck. What' your hurry?

Maybe 'Dave' might think about apologising for the Highland Clearances before going anywhere near Scotland.

I reckon Steve Bell has found the perfect constituional formula for England and Scotland:

Condominion.